i believe presentation is the key ingredient. but i also think that some flies just seem to attract bigger fish. what do yall think some of those flies are?
big fish flies
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Posts: 36 04/22/08 17:36:26 |
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Posts: 3095 04/22/08 18:03:49 Member |
Kelley Galloup's Modern Streamers for Trophy Trout covers a bunch of patterns that do what you're asking about. He lists patterns like a Zoo Cougar,
Wooly Sculpin, Matukas, Madonnas and then he has a few leech patterns. I think the secret to these is they "push water".
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Posts: 2301 04/22/08 22:17:37 Norfork Moderator |
In reality we will never know the exact answer. I do know from experience that no doubt certain flies are more likely to work than others at given times., And that may well be due to how well or otherwise fish see that fly during the hours of light. During the hours of darkness that may differ some, but hear again there may be times that flies that incorporate bodies of silver or gold tinsel will out fish others. There is also the matter of the fly used. A surface fished muddler may work one day, but not the next. This is a common factor when night time fishing, as there will be nights surface fished flies work well, others not. All be it l am more than sure the fish may well see both. Davy.
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Posts: 6304 04/24/08 08:08:18 ezOP |
Anything that imitates something that gives more energy than it takes to consume it will have a chance at bigger fish. Big trout love worms, eggs, dead scuds,
sow bugs, midges, caddis emergers, wounded bait fish like shad, and sculpin patterns.
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Posts: 2305 04/24/08 21:22:04 Norfork Moderator |
Along with mice, voles, frogs, bats, ducklings and so on, large predatory fish like Browns will eat em. Of course here we do have a plentiful supply of smaller trout. About 4 years ago one of my customers caught a Brown of about 22 ins, in its mouth half way in was a rainbow trout, why that fish further chose to take a small nymph is beyond me, but it did. Not the first time l have seen that happen either. I once saw a very large pike that had taken another large Pike, and was near to death on the lake shore due to that, guess it chocked. DW
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Posts: 88 05/02/08 18:03:49 |
I would use a fly copying whatever the big fish are naturally eating, small or big. John and Jimmy do this with their small flies all the time. Besides that, I
would go BIG. Kelly's flies aren't really big. Russ Maddin's flies (mentioned in Kelly's articles) Kraken, Circus Peanut are. They are
fabulous. I would have some 4 inches long, five. Then I'd go bigger, as I would for big trout all over the Country, all over the world. I'd commonly
use (and DO use) 6 and 7 inch Slammers (Sedotti menhaden/ alewife imitations), and I'd also try Rainbow Trout imitators 11 inches long down there, at least
for a try. Arkansas fish food imitators. Why not? This isn't done enough. If ANY place would be a place to use REALLY big flies for trout consistently
(when copying baitfish) it would be Arkansas because the fish are so big there. Plus it affords you the use of heavier tippets so that you have a better chance
of landing the beasts. Then you can torture yourself with the dreaded and terrifying question of keep/no keep.
Davy throws in the curveball, the changing face of effective flies. To have the right fly on at the right time. Changing with the fish. Like you, I keep trying. Marco |
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Posts: 639 05/02/08 21:52:48 Little Red River Moderator |
I typically fish large flies at night or when there is rising/high water. At night I think presentation is a key, but your presentation is more important than
the fly's to a certain extent. On the Little Red, I like black and tan double bunnies in the 4-6" range. These are fun flies to fish and a complete
pain in the arse to cast due to their weight when wet. Kind of like casting a water ballon.
Hey Mark! I need to try to tie some of your flies up for the Red! Andrew |
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Posts: 5137 05/06/08 04:53:08 |
Mark,
Also I would add that eliminating the smaller fish with the larger flies increases the chances of hooking a better/bigger fish. It's sort of the same thing when sight fishing to the big fish. Hooking a bow in the pod can and does mess up the fishing for the bigger fish. Jimmy T. |
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Posts: 2326 05/07/08 16:38:07 Norfork Moderator |
Jimmy, that may be true at times, larger flies will reduce the percentage of smaller fish hooked, saying that as you know using my wet fly ways and hook sizes
12 to 14 l have hooked and landed some very large fish, both from rivers and lakes. Fish well over 10lb at times.
On the other hand l also am of the view that when large single streamers are used you may well up the odds in your favor to hook a trophy fish. As l will also use 4 to 6 ins flies if the conditions are good. It is a game of swings and roundabouts, you never know. Davy.
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Posts: 1356 05/07/08 20:28:52 Moderator |
I think them flies that catch big fish is them flies that someone else ties onto the end of their tippet and not those tied to my tippet
 On a more serious
note, I've caught some of my biggest fish on small flies that ya'd think a big fish even wouldn't mess with eatin and on teh other hand (got 2 of
em, ya know) I've caught fish, includin trouts, on flies bigger than the fish itself. Sometimes I think it's just being at teh right place at the right
time or maybe it's all in how ya hold yer mouth while fishin? Whatever, I believe those who catch the mostest and biggest fish is them who spend the
mostest time on the water. God bless--reuel
Fish were they is, not where they ain't.
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