Rick , your suggestions and the Rosgen report were more than valuable........I posted my plea on many FF BB and received many responses.......most were well intended but of little value..........The Rosgen report should be MANDATORY reading for all that are considering stream improvement.........THANKS!! As you called it the spring creek is a ' E ' type and I now understand the CAUTIONS that apply.......it is great to know that your expertise is readily available and MUCH APPRECIATED........Chip